Here is an interesting conversation I had with an individual that says he is a Rabbi.
Note, I said, "He said" he was a Rabbi.
Situation. I posted a video supporting Sen. John McCain for President and sent it to my friends.
Here's what happened.........................
"Self-Proclaiming Rabbi":
-I'm not for McCain, please keep your filth off my page. (attached to this message was a video proclaiming jesus was a homosexual)
I dont believe in jesus either, but I do have to ask, what's wrong with McCain? Just wondering.
"Self-Proclaiming Rabbi":
I believe that regulating morality is a "pulpit cop-out" things such as abortion, gay marraige, etc should not be regulated by the government. It is our responsability as teachers and leaders to teach our congregants about right and wrong and not have government intervention on such matters...that is why I stick to the left in government and right in the synagogue.
Totally understand, but, its the Left in government that pushes Pro-Choice, Gay Marraige, etc.
And the Democrats have never done a thing to "help" Israel. You are correct that it is "Our" responsibility, but for those that do not live by Torah, need to be guided by law that reflects it.
"Self-Proclaiming Rabbi":
I am for pro choice, gay marriage...I DONT believe the government should make laws against them. I believe that it is a cop out from the pulpit which makes us want to regulate it when it should be US TEACHING our people to do the right thing, not rely on the government.
Okay...then as you say you are a Rebbe, you should know by Torah, these are against G-d's Commandment's.
I'm not trying to start anything here. Just wanting to understand your position.
"Self-Proclaiming Rabbi":
that guidance by law needs to come from the Synagoge and the Zals, not the secular government. If we teach people right we dont need government regulation. To me that is the Rabbis passing the buck.
But, Rabbi's are not the Authority in U.S.
"Self-Proclaiming Rabbi":
you missed my point. YES the Torah is against such things and the Sages expound on this in the Talmud (while there are some exceptions for Abortion) BUT it is not the governments place to regulate this. As a Rabbi or even as a Jew it is our place to teach our people to do the right thing and live morally, not the governments place ( esp a goy government) to regulate it. I think it is a pulpit cop out to have to rely on the government to regulate morality when we should be teaching our children and the members of our Shul to do the right thing regardless of if it is legal or not.
What is the law, of abortion, in Talmud? Not set by government, but by Rabbi's, teacher's, as you call yourself, and what is the law, in Talmud, on homosexual activity, not set by government, but by Rabbi's, teachers, as you say you are? According to you, you support Pro Choice, and gay marriage, how is this in keeping with Torah, and following the teachings of our Rabbi's, and Teachers, in Talmud? The moral set by Torah, and Talmud, are the morals you should be teaching your Shul. By supporting Gay marriage, and abortion, you are going against Torah, and Talmud, the very Word of G-d, and the teaching's of our most learned Rabbi's. What kind of a Shul do you belong to? It obviously is not Orthodox.
"Self-Proclaiming Rabbi":
AGAIN you miss the point. I AM NOT PRO ABORTION OR PRO HOMOSEXUAL Marraige, I AM just ANTI GOVERNMENT regulation of it. The more government is allowed to regulate morality the more dangerous it will become of us in the long run. We have Halakah and teach it and people understand what is right or wrong, it does not take the government to regulate such activites to have us understand that it is wrong...what dont you follow?
Now wait! You said.....quote......
I am for pro choice, gay marriage...I DONT believe the government should make laws against them. I believe that it is a cop out from the pulpit which makes us want to regulate it when it should be US TEACHING our people to do the right thing, not rely on the government.
Now you change your position?
Make up my mind.
"Self-Proclaiming Rabbi":
Rabbis and their congregants are using the government to do the job THEY should be doing. This is my point. I am afarid of government regulation of morality BUT I AM NOT FOR SUCH ACTIVITIES. The teaching of Torah and Morality is to be done in the Zal and not regulated by the government. WE need to be teaching people to do the right thing and why it is against the Law Hashem has given us, not banking on the government to make it illegal and to rely on them to teach the values expounded in the Torah.
Ok. But since when does Goy listen to a Jew on these thing's? They don't understand Torah beyond 10 Commandment's, nor do they even grasp that we have 613 Laws to govern us, and not even adding Talmud at this point, to which even most Jews don't live by.
"Self-Proclaiming Rabbi":
No, allow me to explain and make it a little more clear. I am for Pro-choice and pro-gay marriage in the respect that I dont believe the government should be making morality legal or illegal. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ABORTION or GAY MARRIAGE but I am AGAINST the government regulating these activities because I believe that is the place of the pulpit. We should not rely on the government to teach morals and Laws from the TORAH, rather than rely on these acts being illegal we need to TEACH our people why these things are wrong and what they should or should not be doing.
I agree with you to an extent. You have to agree, we cant "make" people live by Torah. That is why we make a Government to create laws we request, in order to build a moral society.
"Self-Proclaiming Rabbi":
I understand that but all we can do is explain to them our positions on such things. You know, I believe that my "pulpit cop-out" extends beyond Judaism. Priests, Pastors, etc are using the government to make up for the fact that they do not do an appropriate job in teaching their congregants, Evangelicals, Catholics etc are pro life and anti gay marraige but they DONT DO a good job of teaching and explaining their faith to their people, they woudl rather rely on the government to pick up the slack and I dont believe this is the right way...it only takes a few regulations on Morality to lead down that slope...I am afraid of that.
this is my "pulpit cop-out" theory.
and by the way I hold no malice towards you I just want you to understand my position of OUR responsability to teach our synagogues the Torah and the truth.
I got you. The break down on this though is the old adage, "Separation Of Church And State".
"Self-Proclaiming Rabbi":
True, we can make people do anything by Laws but that does not make it right. Remember Hashem only askes for our sincere repentance when we have violated His Laws. One can not be sincere if they are simple "forced" to be moral by the laws of the government. It is only through teaching WHY we should be moral and WHY Hashem has graced us with his Torah and His laws that we will ever make a difference in this world and bring Moshiach.
And this is why we, as Jews, must live our lives as an example to those that live in immorality. We seem to be beating down the same path, but we differ in how the Government should be involved.
Are you a Reformed Rabbi?
Just wondering.
"Self-Proclaiming Rabbi":
It is. I happen to be afraid either way the election goes but the best I can do is to continune to live my life for Hashem. I wish you the best and I commend you on your site and your zeal for supporting McCain. May Hashem bless you.
Thanks, and just the same for your Zeal as well, but I do believe McCain is a man we can trust. Give the Government a chance. Remember, even though in modern time's, Israel is the youngest Country, the United States of America, is still having "Growing Pain's". Almost 6000 years verses our just over 225 year's, is a big difference.
"Self-Proclaiming Rabbi":
No, I grew up in a refom home but I became a Chabadnick after college. I recieved my semicah from a chabad yeshiva now I do outreach work to bring Jews back from evangelical christianity.
In closing, I would would like to point out, this "Self Proclaimed Rabbi" did a flip-flop three times reference his stance on Gay marriage, and abortion. For those of you that don't know, as an Orthodox Jew, Gay Marriage is WRONG, the only time abortion is allowed, is when the Mothers life is in danger, or when the pregnancy is a result of a rape. You will never find an Orthodox Jew that believes in Homosexuals, Gay Marriage, or Abortion. This so-called Rabbi claims to be a Kabbalist, teacher, and student of Hasidic Mystical Judaism according to his homepage, but he tells me, he was Reformed, then went to Chabad Yeshiva, were he received Semicah, after becoming Chabadnick. If you, the reader, are confused, you should be, as am I. I think I will drop a line to the Orthodox Union, and report this guy.
If he really is a Rabbi, and he teach's like this, he won't for long. I have no reason to believe this guy really is who he claims to be.
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